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Daniel Ellsberg rarely appeared on TV… yet he changed U.S. history like few private citizens. Back in 1971, Daniel Ellsberg, a Pentagon military analyst, released a comprehensive record of U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War. Known as the "Pentagon Papers" … and his disclosure ended the 20th century's longest U.S. war. A landmark Supreme Court press freedom decision would follow…. And President Richard Nixon's response led directly to the scandals that ended Nixon’s presidency. This rare Nixon audio was never released. In it, President Nixon explains how he could've gotten away with a full cover-up.
The tidal wave continues to grow over the military and government interest in what we used to call UFOs – now called UAP or unidentified anomalous phenomena. What used to be the domain of the Air Force’s famous project blue book and endlessly passed off as weather balloons or drunken seagulls.… We have a new class of heroes – US Air Force pilots tasked with keeping us safe. Thanks to technology which is no longer easily dismissed during repeated UAP sightings, a group of pilots have created a nonprofit organization called “Americans for Safe Aerospace”…. a military pilot-led nonprofit organization dedicated to aerospace safety and national security…. with a focus on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP). ASA was founded by Ryan Graves, a former Lieutenant U.S. Navy F/A-18 pilot, who was the first active-duty pilot to come forward with Defense Department evidence to Congress about UAP.
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90.7 kp. X. This next rethinking heroes.
Threethinking heroes with Carrie Harrison, with over 700 military veteran journalists worldwide its your rethinking heroes flash briefing stories from the front, Carrie Harrison, here, with your rethinking heroes flash briefing an update on national defense
news and stories affecting service members, veterans, and the rest of us.
I was just thinking about Daniel Ellsberg.
It's a tough one, a giant loss, for most of us we'll get to him in just a moment.
A naval base in Gulfport, Mississippi, has taken measures to protect itself from the gun violence that is spilling onto its borders.
The Naval Construction Battalion Center in Gulf Board, built a wall of shipping containers to keep stray bullets off the base.
Nbc. News reported the boxes were put into place after a shootout at a subsidized housing complex across the street, hit and damaged 5 homes on the base.
In addition to the barricade, the navy has increased patrols along the perimeter the base told Nbc.
The barriers met as a temporary solution and they've received assurances from the city of golf port that officials are addressing the escalating gun violence.
However, officials say they haven't ruled out something more permanent.
About 72,000 people live in Gulf Port, where they've been about 10 homicides a year since 2019, and that's up from about 2 to 3 a year.
A decade prior. Unfortunately, Gulf Port is not alone in its challenges with guns, according to the Cdc.
More Americans died in 2021 from gun injuries than any other year on record.
This also is the first time that a military base has used shipping containers as protection.
When Fort Cavazos, in Texas, then called Fort Hood, held the trial of the officer who conducted a mass shooting on the base in 2,009.
The base. Stacked, shipping containers in long lines surrounding that courthouse.
Now to a story about a tricycle stolen from the Coast Guard for real men used to trespass at a Florida airport for more.
On that we go to rethinking heroes. Rose Thor.
Thank you, Carrie. From Austin, Texas. This is Rose there, reporting for rethinking heroes a woman in Florida was arested after she hopped offense at the St.
Petersburg airport, and then wrote a tricycle onto the taxiway.
It turns out the tricycle was stolen from the nearby Coast Guard station in Clearwater.
This is something I was unaware of, but the Coast Guard uses tricycles as well.
Golf carts and bobcats to transport tools and parts around the station.
The Tampa Bay Times. Reports. The woman climbed the fence to the Coast Guard station stall, the tricycle, and then wrote it to a ramp area behind the terminal behind Terminal.
A at the St. Pete airport, her joy ride was busted when airport security noticed her on security camera, footage cruising along the restricted area on the tricycle.
She was arrested while trying to board a commercial flight.
To Argentina, and now faces a felony charge for the trespassing and grand theft, for the tricycle.
Now back to you, Carrie, to discuss the passing of a veteran who leaked the Pentagon papers in 1971 and helped lead to the resignation of President Richard Nixon.
Thank you. Rose. Daniel Ellsberg was a history-making whistleblower, known for his daring leak of documents to reveal the Government's internal doubt about the Vietnam War, and the campaign to deceive the public about those misgivings his recent
pasting at 92 from pancreatic cancer is a loss to accountability Ellsberg graduated from Harvard, served in the Marine Corps before consulting the Government on the Vietnam War and over time.
He noticed inconsistencies, and outright lies connected to the Us.
Involvement in Vietnam that led him to leak 7,000 pages of Pentagon documents to the Media that exposed the military's so-called review of its own involvement in the region as punishment President richard M.
Nixon went after Ellsberg directly, personally, which led to Watergate, which led to Nixon's later resignation.
We'll have some special, Dan Ellsberg audio later.
Here, and rethinking heroes back to military reporter, rose there to discuss the impact that increased hateful rhetoric has had on military families.
Yeah. Carrie, this news is heartbreaking to learn about the Air Force told Defense one news that it is moved.
Service members and their families. 15 times since 2021 to help them escape discrimination because of their race or sexual orientation.
In 2021 the Air Force began tracking. How often members of of the Air and Space Force requested to move duty stations because of racial or Lgbtq discrimination.
In some cases the move was requested because the service Members child was bullied in school request to move because of a personal hardship, have always been available.
To families, but because the Air Force only began tracking. Why troops asked to move about 2 years ago.
Officials couldn't say whether this increase, this is an increase to previous years.
This comes as Republican-led States have introduced historic levels of anti Lgbtq legislation, and even if these bills don't become law, just the introduction and discussion of them can make people feel unwelcome or empower others to discriminate for rethinking heroes
I'm rose there, back to you, Carrie!
Thank you so much for that, Rose, and we would all do well to remember history.
Alexander the Great, who conquered most of the known world, had a boyfriend.
You didn't want him to not be on your side.
The Spartans and ancient Greece, you didn't want them not to be on your side, and the Maori of New Zealand you didn't want them not to be on your side, as black people, because they were the only ones ever historically to have kicked the british's ass
as colonial forces. So those 2 groups are some of the most powerful warriors who have ever lived, so make no mistake you don't want them as your enemies special thanks to military reporter Rose Thear, for this rethinking hero's flash briefing from Los Angeles and beyond
I'm Carrie Harrison. Don't forget to subscribe and like rethinking heroes wherever you get your podcasts and follow us across all social media and substack simply by looking for rethinking heroes, preventing truth decay, rethinking heroes, with carrie
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Carrie Harrison with you. This is rethinking heroes, rethinking heroes, dot-com, coming up in just a few minutes.
We're gonna be talking to the only active Duty Air Force pilot who was willing to stand up in front of Kis in whistleblowing form talking about Uaps, formerly known as Uapos, and how real they are we have some footage we're going to play or you'll
be able to hear it. You'll be able to see it later on.
Video, at rethinkingheros com, or on any of our radio Facebook websites.
You'll be able to see that video, too. It's the actual video shot by these pilots of these extraordinary objects flying greater than the speed of sound for multiple hours in the wind, not moving things that our craft simply cannot do.
We'll be talking to Ryan Graves in just a few moments.
I want to take a moment here and mention that rethinking heroes here is going to be able to stream the live TV broadcast of World Peace Day on September 20, first, unexpectedly, I was asked by Unesco to emcee the global event for the United Nations in
Switzerland. It's going to be televised from countries all over the world, and it's going to feature speeches and music.
Hope for peace during these truly unusual times every generation has said, Oh, these are on you!
These are unusual times. The entire planet is at war and nuclear power plants are being bombarded.
Truly unusual times, so I'm going to keep you up to date, and you can feel comfortable that the impact that rethinking heroes has had, and how this show, and how me, as the host was invited as a global Mc representing hundreds of nations around the world that's because of
you. So we're gonna keep you in the loop on where and how you can watch and participate.
Let's take a moment now to remember a hero for our modern times, a groundbreaking hero and father of what it means to be a brave whistleblower with the Pentagon papers.
Leaker, Daniel Ellsberg passed from pancreatic cancer.
This brave man up to his death. Quote continued to speak out urgently to the media about nuclear dangers, especially the danger of nuclear war posed by the Ukraine war.
And Taiwan. That's what his family said.
Daniel Ellsberg rarely appeared on TV, yet he changed us history, like few private citizens ever could or did.
Back in 1971 Daniel Ellsberg, a Pentagon military analyst, released a comprehensive record of us.
Involvement in the Vietnam War, known as the Pentagon Papers, and his disclosure ended. The twentieth century's longest u.
S. War a landmark Supreme Court press, freedom, decision would follow, and President Richard Nixon's response led directly to the scandals that ended Nixon's Presidency Ellsberg, a forty-year-old marine corps veteran with a harvard
Doctorate had worked for the Defense and State departments and the think tank known as the Rand Corporation, which, by the way, stole my motto, preventing truth, Decay.
They just call it truth, decay. That's okay. I didn't trade market stupid.
Me less and learned. He worked at the Rand Corporation before arriving at the Pentagon, Dan Ellsberg, a hawk.
[K P F K] 12:11:58
He was a hawk before going to Vietnam in 1,960.
5 later, turning against the war and its justifications, Ellsberg had access to the Rand's 7 thousand-page classified documents and historical narrative, and over months, as we heard from his son recently here on rethinking heroes, they were able to photocopy one
page, per Night, Daniel Ellsberg later showed several Senators that material.
He asked for hearings, or at least to place the report in the Congressional Record.
The senators refused, and Daniel Ellsberg suggested that the Senators read the New York Times instead, because in 1971 he gave it all to the New York Times.
The Washington Post and 17 other newspapers displeased the President of the United States himself.
None other than Richard Millhouse. Nixon went directly after Daniel Ellsberg, and charged him with 12 felony counts and a possible prison sentence of 115 years.
This was the famous Watergate scandal in connection with the Nixon directed burglary of the office of Dr.
Ellsberg's psychiatrist, in order to glean Daniel Ellsberg's personal secrets, that only a psychiatrist would know.
And then use those secrets against Ellsberg.
What followed were the convictions of several White House aides, and figured in the impeachment proceedings against President Nixon.
Here's a piece of audio you're never gonna have heard before.
It's Richard Nixon himself explaining on tape, of course, how he could have gotten away with a cover up.
[Ryan Graves] 12:13:34
I played this clip to Daniel Ellsberg several years ago, when we were talking about the role of personal bravery and leadership in a world gone mad under the circumstances I would have to say that a reasonable person is could call that a cover-up I didn't think of it.
As a cover-up. I didn't intend it to cover, let me say, if I intended to cover up, believe me, I'd have done it.
You know how I could have done it so easily.
I could have done it immediately after the election, simply by giving clemency to everybody and the whole thing would have gone away.
I could do that. No, technically, I did not commit a crime, an impeachable offense, as far as the handling of this matter.
It was so botched up the A. And mother each day when he walks to the sea.
We're talking to Daniel Ellsberg.
He's a lecturer, writer, activist, and author now of secrets, a memoir of Vietnam in the Pentagon papers, and I didn't think of it as a cover up.
II could have got a cover up if I wanted to do a cover-up.
You know. Actually, that's very interesting. He's right in the sense that if he had taken the heat off people like John Dean and others, by giving clemency to everybody
Probably the thing would have kept covered up quite a bit, and that raises a question as to he doesn't really explain why he didn't do it.
I couldn't do that. Why? Because it would be illegal after all, that wasn't his worry.
We are talking today Daniel Ellsberg, you write about the joint Chiefs of Staff coming up with ways to best provoke an attack on us.
Forces, by the north. Vietnamese if it proved to get a rise out of them.
In other words, beat them with a stick until they do something back at you, and then you can really escalate a war congratulations on that background. It's exactly right.
So you have a good researcher. We do. We have Doria Biddle, our lipstick, Lesbian producer tricks and elocution, mistress and Quaker.
Hello! Nearly all of the things that he did against me at that time which made him impeachable are legal now under the Patriot Act, in order to silence whistleblowers or to silence dissent for example, he used the CIA against a domestic
citizen myself. They did a psychological profile on me.
They provided disguises and other links to me, and a number of their for people who were breaking into my former psychoanalyst's office to get information.
To blackmail me with how that break into the office would now be legal under the Patriot Act.
In the context of terrorism and the the fear of terrorism.
Now the illegal, warrantless wireta on which I was overheard at that time, which figured in the ending of my trial would be legal.
Now the hiring of the CIA assets and the using so-called assets Cubans who had worked in the Bay of Pigs and now we're used to neutralize Daniel Ellsberg to beat me up and so forth.
That hiring by the White House, and by others in domestic operations would be legal now, so that isn't to say they wouldn't still be doing it.
Legal things go beyond even the patriot act, but their hand at doing things that were previously been criminal against American citizens has now been these instruments have now been put in their hands.
That's what I love about looking back at German history.
For instance, when we read rise and fall of the third Reich, or study any history, and we see how the effective mechanism that Adolf Hitler used in the Nazi party was to change the laws, so that really everything they did was legal the most horrible surreptitious and to use them 9 elevenths
and an excuse to go against a crime that was not involved is like, is is is a major deception, and is rather like using Reichstag fire against a to a ban.
For example, most other parties, Daniel Ellsberg, remembering Richard Nixon, and also foreshadowing recent presidencies, and possibly well, let's just say quasi legal maneuvers.
Now that the gloves are off, and it's really up to you and me to remain ever vigilant and rethink what heroism can look like for each of us individually going down the road.
Carrie Harrison with you, and this is rethinking heroes coming up in just a moment.
We're going to talk to the first Us. Military pilot ever to stand before Congress and demand information about what used to be called Ufos are now called Uaps.
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All right, Carrie Harrison, with you. You know the tidal wave continues to grow over the military, and government interests, and what we used to call Ufos.
They're now called Uap, or unidentified anomalous phenomena.
Say that 1015 times quickly what used to be the domain of the Air Force's famous project, Blue Book, and endlessly passed off as weather balloons, drunken seagulls.
We now have a new class of heroes, us Air Force pilots tasked with keeping us safe, thanks to technology which is no longer easily dismissed during repeated Uap sightings, a group of pilots have created a nonprofit organization called Americans for safe aerospace a military
pilot led nonprofit organization, dedicated to aerospace safety and national security with a focus on unidentified, anomalous phenomena.
As A was founded by Ryan Graves, a former Lieutenant, U.
S. Navy, Fa. 18 pilot, who was the first active-duty pilot to come forward to Congress about Uap.
Here's a recent clip from Cnn, in which Lieutenant Graves breaks down the reality of some of these sightings, using official video belonging to the defense.
A Chinese balloon that floated across the Continental.
US. Got a lot of attention, and somehow it eclipsed other weirder, unidentified flying objects.
Project that, hey? Oh, my gosh! Now it's!
Former navy fighter, pilot, Brian Graves, has a new article in politico titled, we have a real Ufo problem, and it's not balloons.
It's not that we were just seeing him out there and somewhat identifying something in in the distance.
We're using a multitude of sensors on our aircraft and also distributed across multiple aircraft and different platforms that are detecting these objects within us.
A sensor network. And so when we then correlate those radar tracks with our infrared camera systems, eventually moving closer to detect them with our eyeball, we we have high confidence in those track files.
And what we're experiencing and what we're experiencing are things that we're really not sure what they are.
At the end of the day they're performing a number of behaviors that we don't recognize, such as the ability to stay stationary and very high winds with no lifting platforms, no surfaces, but also to maintain speeds of point 6 to point 8 mach which is upwards
of 350 knots, and they can do that for for many hours on end.
We don't have the ability to do that in our aircraft.
We simply don't know who's operating these or what their intent are.
Going against the wind. The winds are hunching, planning out west.
With me now via Zoom is Ryan Graves, a former navy. Fa.
18, sorry. FA. 18 F. Pilot, and Gos hawk, instructor, Pilot.
He deployed aboard the Uss. Enterprise in support of operation, enduring freedom, and again aboard the Uss.
S enterprise in support of operation, enduring freedom, and again aboard the Uss. Theodore Roosevelt, in support of operation, inherent resolve over Iraq and Syria.
His elite training is so complicated that you need a manual to unscramble the litany of military acronyms like Jtac.
Faca, Rmc. Lso. Neetops, Orm and Crm.
Suffice it to say, this high intelligence and home skill craft found him later leading advanced teams to win and execute Darpa contracts in Eric combat evolution.
The Air Force's Skyborg program. These are real and other classified projects.
Getting the message out is another act of bravery. As Ryan Graves is currently host of the merged, podcast a radically, open-minded exploration of unidentified, anomalous phenomena uap through the lens of pyths scientists and
innovators. Brian Graves would like to welcome you to rethinking heroes.
[Ryan Graves] 12:26:30
Thank you so much for that great introduction. It's a pleasure to be here.
Well, it's a pleasure to have you here. Anybody who stands up in front of the Government.
And now NASA is talking about it. There have been official broadcasts, giant conventions of the Federal Government now saying, well, yeah, yeah.
After 50 years of plaid project, blue book and tin foil hats and project disclosure, and everyone else kind of doing it under.
You have brought this into the foreground, and you're looking to make government accountable.
Tell us what that looks like.
[Ryan Graves] 12:27:05
Well, I think what that looks like at the very core of it is just being able to have a conversation and sharing information as it pertains to aviation, safety.
[Ryan Graves] 12:27:15
The Military, the Department of Defense, and even more specifically, the Navy have started reporting these objects on such a regular basis that the all domain, Anomaly Resolution Office, the office charged with investigating this at the Department of Defense had declared that these are a serious aviation Safety
[Ryan Graves] 12:27:33
Hazard, and so there are now reporting mechanisms being stood up within the military.
[Ryan Graves] 12:27:38
So we can perform an analysis and prevent having a midair and all that's occurring.
[Ryan Graves] 12:27:44
In a sense, in a vacuum, because we don't see any of that action happening on the commercial side in the civil sector.
[Ryan Graves] 12:27:50
Pilots are seeing these objects, which is actually a cause for concern, because if you're seeing them, these objects are much closer than perhaps what the military aviators are seeing with their advanced sensors.
[Ryan Graves] 12:28:02
So these commercial pilots are seeing objects at their flight altitudes, and they don't really have a mechanism to report it, and certainly not to have that information follow up on.
Ryan Graves. I was just looking at, and we just heard audio from actual defense department tapes.
So this is not Timmy in his basement with his iphone, making wild claims.
The official stuff, and you more than anyone, as an Air Force pilot, have seen these things, understand the technology and how the recording works.
What's been your most remarkable and inexplicable encounter or experience during your time in the skies?
[Ryan Graves] 12:28:38
Certainly, so in the 2015 time frame, when I was attached to the Uss.
[Ryan Graves] 12:28:44
Theodore Roosevelt, in the Navy. We were preparing for our deployment to the Middle East, and we're operating off the coast of Jacksonville, Florida.
[Ryan Graves] 12:28:53
And at this time we had been accustomed to seeing these objects in our working areas off the coast of Virginia and North Carolina still know what they are, or we weren't jumping to any conclusions.
[Ryan Graves] 12:29:05
Necessarily we just, you know, eventually, just try to stay away from them and avoid them.
[Ryan Graves] 12:29:08
So we could do our training. But this particular instance we're flying off the aircraft carrier.
[Ryan Graves] 12:29:16
We saw a new type of object that we hadn't seen before wasn't me personally, but it was aircrew that were in my squadron, and that was what's called now the Gimbal video.
[Ryan Graves] 12:29:26
And I think you show that here, just before this, on the intro, and essentially look like a gimbal on the infrared camera system that it was captured on.
[Ryan Graves] 12:29:34
We hadn't seen an object of that side or those performance characteristics, or any of the behaviors really.
[Ryan Graves] 12:29:41
And so that that was very unusual for us.
[Ryan Graves] 12:29:42
We came back I personally heard that my friends had caught something interesting on the camera.
[Ryan Graves] 12:29:49
So we went in, and we went to the debrief and watched these tapes try to get explained in some way, but everyone really had no idea what they were looking at.
[Ryan Graves] 12:29:56
And that particular case has been one that is still, you know, very much in the public sphere, and still a mystery. Today.
Carrie Harrison with you. This is rethinking heroes, rethinking heroes.
Comm. We're talking to former Navy F. 18 F.
Pilot, lieutenant Ryan Graves, of Americans for safe aerospace.
A military pilot-led nonprofit organization, dedicated to aerospace safety and national security, with a focus on unidentified, anomalous phenomena formerly known as Ufos Lieutenant Graves, remains the first active Duty Pilot to
come forward to Congress about Uap. Now, what makes this note worthy is that many modern heroes step outside of routine order-taking and use the advanced skills that they were taught in analytical prowess to think critically, critical thinking always an asset in any population whether it be these military vets commercial
pilots, aerospace workers, anyone impacted by Uap or scientists committed to investigating these mysteries it always boils down to this particular brand of media that you and I are participating in right now.
And all of us concerns citizens who believe in transparent disclosure from our government, and so pushing a government to open up.
I mean, let me just say, that's a pretty sexy feat, and many other nations wish you would come and visit even Butt for a week.
Let me ask you, Ryan Graves, about sort of the physical structure is Dominant. You reported on one.
We saw that in the Defense Department to escalating at an altitude in super high winds, we're talking greater or equal almost to the speed of sound at wild altitudes in high winds, and just there, for hours like do we have stuff that'll do that?
[Ryan Graves] 12:31:46
Not that I'm aware of and not that we've been able to figure out over the past 9 years.
[Ryan Graves] 12:31:51
These things are performing a ways that don't make sense according to our understanding of aerodynamics.
[Ryan Graves] 12:31:56
They're essentially breaking those rules. And so we have to assume their options in some way that we're just simply not familiar with.
[Ryan Graves] 12:32:02
That's potentially totally different. There are no wings, or there's no mass being propelled out.
[Ryan Graves] 12:32:09
The back of the vehicle, or exhaust.
[Ryan Graves] 12:32:12
There's no propellers spinning. There's no strong admissions in in the frequencies that we can detect in our jet.
[Ryan Graves] 12:32:20
So really for us. We don't understand how they're working, and not only how they're working, but how they're able to work so well over such a very, very long period of time.
So this could be what we're called in the 19 fifties, you know, Russian bogies.
That was just basically anything. But these could be potentially Chinese.
We're not talking weather balloons here. But this could be technology.
Well beyond our own, in which case we're talking national security threats, not little green men, or it could be both.
Do you have a sense of which either both?
[Ryan Graves] 12:32:55
Well for us at American for safe aerospace. We just have to stop at the uncertainty piece and recognize that as the problem.
[Ryan Graves] 12:33:03
Right now we recognize when we start to delve into what those uncertain objects are, those uncorrelated targets we're going to find.
[Ryan Graves] 12:33:09
Likely they're going to fall into one of 2 buckets.
[Ryan Graves] 12:33:12
Either national security issue from a foreign adversary that's penetrating our airspace or potentially something new that we haven't been able to see before.
[Ryan Graves] 12:33:20
And that's reason for scientific curiosity and integrity.
[Ryan Graves] 12:33:23
And so for us. It's very simple.
[Ryan Graves] 12:33:25
Bifurcation along those lines we see the Department of Defense now standing up in order to secure and look at those national security concerns, especially after what happened with the Chinese balloon.
[Ryan Graves] 12:33:36
But we're not necessarily seeing the uptick in science right now.
[Ryan Graves] 12:33:41
One of the reasons is because a lot of the expert has been walk behind classification barriers right now, and the scientific community and academic community have been slow to stand up on this topic due to the stigma involved and that's one of the things that we're pushing for at American safe aerospace
[Ryan Graves] 12:33:56
overall reduction of stigma on this topic through, you know, through increased reporting, through public communication on this topic, through the sharing of data, so that the Joan public can understand the reality of the situation.
Former Air, Force Pilot, Ryan Graves. What do you believe sets apart genuine Uap, formerly known as Ufo sightings from misidentified or explainable phenomena.
How do you personally discern between them? I say this as a civilian, because I have no idea.
[Ryan Graves] 12:34:28
Yes, certainly a number of ways at at the core of it.
[Ryan Graves] 12:34:32
There's really 2 ways you can look to assess everything in the sky and identify anomalies, and then we target into those anomalies as it becomes clear.
[Ryan Graves] 12:34:41
And another methodology. You could look for evidence of signals that exist in current data, or perhaps active or passive sensor systems that already exist and look to target those individuals.
[Ryan Graves] 12:34:57
Specific signals. So those efforts are being done by various organizations.
[Ryan Graves] 12:35:00
The various degrees, and I would venture a guess that will likely have luck with one of those methods in a not too distant future.
Ryan graves. Have you encountered any patterns or recurring behaviors in the behavior of Uaps that could provide insights into their origins or intentions?
[Ryan Graves] 12:35:19
That's part of what we need to do. We need to start to look at the data more broadly.
[Ryan Graves] 12:35:23
We need to be able to zoom out. See where where the data exists.
[Ryan Graves] 12:35:29
Outside of just military training zones where our high tech sensors are one of the ways we're gathering.
[Ryan Graves] 12:35:36
Information about this is that safe aerospace.org.
[Ryan Graves] 12:35:38
There you can sign up to be a member of our organization, and we've been receiving a lot of reports from commercial pilots.
[Ryan Graves] 12:35:46
Former military folks. And this data, you know, it might seem anecdotal, but en masse, when you gather a lot of that anecdotal together you you can start pulling out patterns and things of that nature.
[Ryan Graves] 12:35:55
And so that's another way that we can start to PIN down more information on this topic.
Carrie Harris with you. This is rethinking heroes, rethinking heroes.
Dot com. We're talking a former navy, fa. 18 F. Pilot.
Lieutenant Ryan Graves of Americans for safe aerospace investigating how to not only keep our aerospace safe from whatever, but what that, whatever might be you do, have this project, it's a podcast among many other things, where you're not just rambling about this but you're, actually
bringing, on the top of the top people to very soberly analyze whether they're scientists.
Other pilots, commercial pilots, military pilots, eyewitnesses, people who can actually intellectually wrap their head around it and try to break this down into some kind of understanding.
Are you guys heading in any direction where you sort of feel that you can synthesize this yet?
[Ryan Graves] 12:36:52
Absolutely we to your point. You know we just had so many pilots reach out.
[Ryan Graves] 12:36:57
We wanted to give them, you know, essentially a safe same platform to share their experiences without fear of repercussions of their job by having a high-level pilot pilot conversation.
[Ryan Graves] 12:37:06
And we're gonna continue to develop those content and bring those out share those because we wanna be able to use this conversations way to Cisco.
[Ryan Graves] 12:37:14
This community bring some of these stories to light, and also demonstrate some of the technology solutions.
[Ryan Graves] 12:37:19
And social solutions that we could put on this problem or to move it forward.
You know, going back to the 19 fifties, and I believe it was under the Eisenhower Administration Project, Blue Book, which was the very delicate dance around unidentified flying objects, neither admitting nor denying best assessment.
Have a nice day let's all move along. But clearly something was going on in there.
Everyone is aware of. Where is it? In Newmx? Roswell?
Everyone is aware of that. Maybe we could just jump there for a second only because everyone is aware of it.
Have you gotten any insight into what that was all about?
[Ryan Graves] 12:38:02
No, unfortunately I don't. You know. I'm familiar with the war, and you know some of the history behind it.
[Ryan Graves] 12:38:09
But I think, as we look at some of the legislation that's been passed in and up last National Defense Authorization Act, it does.
[Ryan Graves] 12:38:16
It does account for a recollection all the way back to 1945.
[Ryan Graves] 12:38:23
And so the intent here is, if that information does exist, that legislation.
[Ryan Graves] 12:38:28
Supposedly she gets to the bottom of it, so I'm eager to see how that plays out.
When you, Ryan Graves went up and addressed Congress about all of this and said, You guys really have to take this seriously, and you talk about stigma because there is there is the old canard of the tin foil hat and then people roll their eyes you're dismissed immediately and never spoke
it, again. But you're speaking to the governmental body.
That legislates that creates the laws and cuts the checks for the United States.
And you're telling them to pay serious attention I imagine that was an uphill battle with a certain amount of stigma.
But you actually created a tipping point, and I'm fascinated.
How you did that like we all wanna know. How do you do that?
[Ryan Graves] 12:39:10
I don't know if I can take that much credit for it.
[Ryan Graves] 12:39:13
You know, there was a lot of activity by a lot of people that seem to be happening just due to the momentum of the topic itself, and the importance of it.
[Ryan Graves] 12:39:20
And so, you know, for me, I was just seeing opportunities to add value to the conversation, and I just continued to do so.
[Ryan Graves] 12:39:28
I think there was a bit of a vacuum just based off of the topic, and that stigma.
[Ryan Graves] 12:39:33
And so, you know, being able to enter vacuum, you know, allowed me to expand into it. So I think you know there was just by willingness to be embarrassed or not to be afraid of the conversation, and gave me those opportunities to be able to help guide the conversation.
Alright. Well, in just a moment we're going to talk about.
How do you hold on to your set of manly parts, and not get too afraid?
And face, you know a giant wall of snarling tigers, and still pursue that's something that I think all of us even if we had 2% of that could move a lot farther in our own personal lives. So I'd be interested in that plus we'll take a look at your
foundation and what you're actually doing, what you're learning and what we can expect out of it in the future.
As we continue to talk to Lieutenant Ryan Graves, who is the first military pilot to have actually stood up in front of the government, and said, This stuff is real.
You need to look into it. We're going to look at that in just a second.
We are in complete control, rethinking heroes with Carrie Harrison, rethinking heroes.com.
[Ryan Graves] 12:40:40
Hey? Hey? You guys, Jeremy?
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Alright, Carrie Harrison, with you. As we finish up a conversation with Lieutenant Ryan Graves, of Americans for safe aerospace.
A military pilot led nonprofit organization, dedicated to national security.
It looks like he may have dropped off I can't quite see if he still there, Ryan, I'm hoping you're still there.
Maybe you dropped off. In any event, what he has been doing in his organization is finding out what these Uaps are unidentified, anomalous phenomena and tracking them.
There is defense department, footage that bears this out you've been able to see it.
You'll see it if you go to rethinking heroes calm, you'll be able to see it.
If you go to the Kpfk Facebook page you'd be able to see what some of this actual defense department footage looks like.
And it's extraordinary to note that anybody was able to move the needle in that direction and make it happen unbelievable.
Great heroism, and part of what it takes to get it done.
Let's just finish up the show. By talking a little bit more about Kpfk.
If Ryan returns we'll make sure we bring it back on hopefully.
He's still there, but we'll see in just a moment one of the things that we get to do here at this radio station, which is very similar to what this military pilot did while standing in front of Congress.
Is, he was able to take a personal giant. So imagine your credibility first of all, you're highly trained.
This guy was dealing with AI on molecular levels, constructing and creating new ways to fly airplanes.
So no layabout, no slouch, no slob, and what he did was stand up in front of a government body that is admittedly, if you've watched any television, read the newspaper, observed any public media in the past number of years we have the most cynical Congress we have ever dealt with we have a
Congress that will refuse to swear in judges refuse to look at anybody in any government position, to be brought in because they may be of the wrong political party.
And what does that speak to? What does that remind you of in other countries?
It's shocking if you dare even make the analogy. So we don't make the analogy because it's forbidden, because we must enjoy the myth, that this is this unbelievably not corrupt free flowing open society but unfortunately, it's not so when
you go up against them, and you tell them, look, we've got footage of this stuff, and it's not just, you know.
Maybe project Blue Book stuff, but it could be the enemy, whatever the enemy means, flying around in monitoring us at triple the speed of sound and able to hang for 1 h in one position in high winds.
We have no such aircraft, no such technology that can do that, and therefore it falls outside the scope of anything we know about, and that is frightening to stand up in front of a government body that are not scientists.
Some of them are barely lawyers. They're all very rich, most of them don't want to take a risk.
Put their neck out. Look embarrassed, look shocked, and he pushed this thing into openness.
Because really it's not just about how safe are the skies, which is everything for a pilot.
But how open is your government and that's the part that you and I want, and if that's the side effect of all of this, where NASA is now opening up the defense department is now opening up.
You might for the first time in your life, in your living life, ever get a glimpse into your own defense department, and therefore have some sway into decisions that are made, and how long you get to stay alive.
If bad decisions are made, you know, you look back at Stanley Kramer and Kubrick, the doctor.
Strange loves of it all. They weren't kidding I mean, that stuff was real personal story.
My father, who was in the Air Force in the was a notorious drinker.
Notorious drinker, and he sat in the Officers Club and boozed it up with all the pilots.
He boozed it up. He was an officer, so he poozed it up with all the other officers, you know, very likable guy.
Everyone liked him. He got this great idea in the late 19 fifties that it was time to actually bomb the rushes.
Enough, enough of these commis. Get rid of them, and this is priests fail-safe, which happened in the early sixties back.
Then there were code books and ring binders, and you cracked the plastic and you read the code.
But you knew sort of how to break through all of that, and he was in charge in Ellsworth Air Force Base in South Dakota.
B. 52 s. That flew 24 HA day, laden with nuclear bombs.
They flew over Russia, they flew over the whole world 24 HA day, not landing, they were refueled in the air, so they were.
Battle ready, and he called up to one of these planes and got partial codes, and they wouldn't do it.
They would not follow through, thank God! But you know, if this is just my own father, sure, different era, different time.
But this stuff is happening every day with lunatics that are passionate about finishing a problem, not getting that the whole problem ends up being us, and we all get finished.
This is why transparency in government is critical.
This is why you're being ever vigilant as Tommy Jefferson would remind you, is so important.
That's why a station like Kpfk is so important.
Because we stay awake. We don't go to sleep.
We follow this stuff all the time at our own pill, at our own discomfort, and, like me as a volunteer, and if I don't do it, and others don't do it, it doesn't get done, and then what do you have relaxing easy favorites well good luck on that if you'll
remember Michael Jackson, you'll never forget Michael Jackson.
But there was a time when what used to be called clear channel was busted publicly, and you found out exactly how not interested they were in helping you out.
So Michael Jackson had died, and it took 3 days for the news departments.
That was the largest radio operator at the time. 3 days for them to start to do live news about Michael Jackson, because they had computerized.
They had fired back in 2,008, 60,000 live radio people whose job whereas to, you know, cover the news.
Follow the news? Do research, fact check. You had a local weather guy.
You had a local traffic guy, all of them wiped out, replaced by computer, where one guy, one guy, could record for 1,500 stations.
A music show that could air on bunches of stations, and all he had to do was take 2 days and record call letters W.
Blah, blah blah blah blah blah.
And then the computer would just drop them in, and it would sound like he was saying them.
So you've reduced a stat of 60,000 people, and I'm making an analogy to AI.
And what is to come, and I don't care how much we all wish.
Oh, AI is here to help me, because these companies just want to help me.
They would love paying for unemployment, compensation.
They love paying 400 oneks. They love being sued for fill in the blank when they misbehave so they just want to spend even more money creating AI just to help me.
No so just like radio operators, they blow out 60,000 live humans.
Their overhead shrinks their profit. Margins go through the roof and they syndicate everything.
So one guy now does a show on 1,500 stations.
The same music show, like Kc Caseem. If you remember this guy, things like that that were sort of 19 seventies, syndication models very rare. Back then.
But then you had Rush, and you had everyone else, and they serviced hundreds, if not thousands, of radio stations.
Same with these music shows, and you just drop in the call letters.
You have a weather service that is based in Oklahoma, doing your la traffic, your la Weather.
They're not even here, they're watching it on a computer.
They have no idea what the 405 is or is not.
It doesn't matter to them, and that's how it is on commercial stations.
So that's things to come. And that's why, at this stage we don't do that.
If something happens, we are able to go there right then pick up a phone and even play it through a phone.
If that's what we have to do, you have to remember Pacifica Network was the network back when Rosa Parks was arrested.
That actually went to her jail cell, stuck a microphone through the bars and asked her what happened.
Now, many of us in school were taught an alternative story.
I was taught an alternative story. I was taught that she was protesting that she went to the front of the bus, and she refused to go to the back of the boss and so started a movie.
All that is true in a general way, but if you listen to our unique tapes, we're the only ones that have them.
By the way, Pacifica, our archives are so magnificently rare you find out she was a cleaning lady, and her feet hurt like hell.
After working couple of jobs she was trying to get to the back of the bus.
But you know slipped twisted, or ankle whatever, and fell into a front seat and couldn't get up fast enough while she was being yelled at, and so that turned into, I think, just basically, her collapsing.
And it became and retold a critical political movement of which she participated.
No doubt about it, but you have to hear the real audio, and that's what we're doing here right now is we're saving that real audio real-to-reel tapes are magnetic.
You probably remember cassette tapes, you might still have them if you've ever thrown one in a cassette player, you'll hear it's kind of echoing, and you'll hear parts that you already.
Heard coming through. Well, because all that magnetism starts to bleed into each other and so each separate piece of tape is no longer filled with individual audio.
It just starts to bleed and merge and one of the things we have to do here at Kpfk, here at Pacifica is archive.
Those tapes as digitally transfer them, so that that never happens.
It already has to a great degree, too much of our archives, because it's very expensive, and these tapes are made out of a very old material.
You put it, we call it spooling it up into a big old reeled a real machine that tape can break bam gone!
It's thin. It's brittle like a 78 rpm. Record.
If you've ever encountered one, the older they get you pick it up.
It just cracks in half same kind of idea. So sometimes you have to soak these tapes.
There's a lot that goes into it. So radio, as you know it, and what we do here in getting information, as you know, it is not just cracking a mic and it's all automated.
It is not automated. This is not a giant syndication machine playing endless commercials and relaxing whatever their slogan is.
This is a place where everything that matters to your life, to your survivability, to your ability to navigate crucially through your own future, hangs in the balance and this is one of the only places you'll find out what your options, and you'll hear the voices of people who are standing out trying to open up government trying to ask questions trying to
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I don't know. There is no reliable Walter Cronkite anymore.
There is no reliable, anything, it's all just selfies.
Kardashianism, and complete and utter nonsense.
You have to actually go to channels in Europe to find out what's going on here in the Us.
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So, Are we talking about wrapping tinfoil around the top of your head? No. This is deadly serious business because as Americans for Safe Aerospace posits in military speak… Identifying domain awareness gaps is critical to U.S. national security. If UAP are foreign assets, we must respond appropriately. If UAP continue to defy conventional explanation — we must invest in scientific research.
With me now via Zoom is Ryan Graves - a former Navy F-A18F pilot and Gaws-hawk instructor pilot. He deployed aboard the USS Enterprise in support of Operation Enduring Freedom… and again aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt in support of Operation Inherent Resolve over Iraq & Syria. His elite training is so complicated that you’d need a manual to unscramble the litany of military acronyms like JTAC/FAC(A), (RMC), (LSO), NATOPS/ORM and CRM. Suffice it to say his high intelligence and honed skillcraft, found him later leading advanced teams to win and execute DARPA contracts in Air Combat Evolution, the Air Force's Skyborg program – these are real… and other classified projects.